Lubbock Family Links

SOME LUBBOCK FAMILY HISTORY

Keith’s Lubbock links

So what do we actually know that is more personal about my grandfather Harry? By all accounts he was a talented and ambitious young man who was able to obtain employment at the London Stock Exchange. Apparently, if someone rattled off a series of numbers / stock quotes he could add them together in his head. He was also a well-known cricket umpire and loved his ale. We also know that he was substantially overweight towards the end of his life and unable to tie his own shoe laces – the result no doubt of his drinking. As previously stated, he married a London girl named Constance Maud Mary Lubbock. And it has been confirmed that Constance was connected ultimately to quite a ‘good’ family, as Lubbock is the family name of the Avebury title. Lord Avebury was a major figure in the development of London’s financial markets in the 19th century (see Asa Brigg’s book on Victorian London for details)" .

Having written the above, I have now been able to identify Constance in the 1901 Census of England and Wales. Alas, there is no immediate sign there of a noble connection. She was 17 in 1901 (born in Peckham, London in 1884) and was working at that time as an Assistant in a 'Boot' / Shoe Shop. Her father and my great grandfather Charles D. Lubbock was 50 years old (born c1851) and was working as a Shorthand / Solicitor's Clerk. He had been born in Great Yarmouth, Norfolk. His wife, my great grandmother, was Helen Rebecca Lubbock and she was 40 in 1901, having been born in Finsbury, London. Constance was the second eldest of 7 children. She had an elder sister Ellen J. Lubbock (19) who also worked in the Shoe Shop and who was born in Bermondsey. All the other children: Edith B. (15), Charles V., (13), Winifred (11) , William (9) and Phyllis G. (1) were born in Peckam. The family lived at 85 Kirkwood Road, Peckham, Camberwell, Surrey [i.e. London].

A complete family tree for the Lubbocks has been developed by Mr Lyulph Lubbock, the eldest son of Eric Lubbock, the current Lord Avebury (see attachment for a shortened summary of the part dealing with our family). It seems that the name is an anglicisation of Luebeck, the name of a city in northern Germany - a port on the Baltic. All Lubbocks appear to be descended from a single ancestor who settled in East Anglia in the Middle Ages. Like as not, the original Lubbock was a merchant linked to the trading network that stretched between the Baltic and the North Sea (based on a confederation of independent port cities - the 'Hanseatic League'). Our part of the family tree extends back to John Lubbock who died in 1498 (and is likely to have been born before 1450). The family tree shows that my great great grandfather William Lubbock was born c1814 at Wells-next-the-Sea, Norfolk and that he was a Mast and Block and Tackle Maker. We are descended from his marriage to his second wife Clara Elstob (born 1830, Middlesex).

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Keith’s great, great grandfather William Lubbock, Mast and Block and Tackle Maker, was the son of John Lubbock, Shipwright [born 1779, Helmsby, Norfolk]. The family shipyard was inherited by the eldest son of John Lubbock, Robert Lubbock, born 1805 . William was a partner. The names of some of the schooners / ships built by the Robert Lubbock Shipyard between 1832 and 1842 (generally in the range 100 to 200 tons) are as follows:

Sarepta
Fairy Queen
Edmond Wodehouse
Reliance
Kathleen
Let Me Alone
Valeria
Bertha
Favourite
Caroline
Rob Roy
Martha
Ebenezer
Elizabeth and Susan
Mary Ann Purdy
Edward
Medora
Rosanna
Rosa Anna
Isabella

“Dickens, who visited Great Yarmouth in 1849, found an olde-worlde fishing port and came away enraptured by the great waste of pebbled beach and the warren of tiny streets known as the "Rows". In setting parts of David Copperfield there, he galvanised the local tourist boom. Thackeray, touring East Anglia a few years later, declared himself ready to travel the extra 20 miles from Norwich simply on account of the Peggotys and their upturned boat-house. A century and a half later, Yarmouth is a town of ghosts - not merely Mrs Gummidge and Little Emily but the herring girls who came down each summer from Aberdeen to work the quaysides and the merchants with their big houses set back from the Front” [UK Independent July 2005].

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My great grandmother Helen Rebecca Lubbock was born Helen Rebecca Rayner in 1861, at Finsbury, Middlesex. I now have a copy of Helen's Marriage Certificate to Charles Daniel Lubbock (William's son) in 1880. It shows that Helen's father (my great great grandfather) was George Rayner, an Engineer (with the SE Railway) and that he had been born in Cambridge. The 1881 Census details for the family are as follows: Head George Rayner 58 (bca 1823); wife Mary A. Rayner (50) born St Lukes Middlesex, George Hawkins Rayner (30), unmarried son, Wine Merchant, living at home; Alice Maud Rayner (14) daughter born Sevenoaks, Kent; Edith M. Rayner (12) born Bermondsey, Surrey. Helen had of course already left to set up house with Charles.

We don’t know many personal facts about my grandmother Constance Johnson though she appears to have had a pretty rough married life at times . During one of the Post-War crashes around 1923, possibly associated with the collapse of the bond market linked to German reparation payments, Harry lost all his money and his job, and the family was evicted from their house in Clapham . My father and one of his brothers were placed in care until the family could be rebuilt. It is to the considerable credit of the family that they weathered this storm and were reunited, with Harry presumably successfully surviving the Stock Market Crash of 1929 when thousands of Stock Exchange employees lost their jobs overnight. Constance died on the 27th March 1941 of carcinoma of the ovary. Her address at that time was given on the Death Certificate as 59A Belmont Park, Lewisham, though she appears to have been living for the last period of her life at 10 Bailey Road, Westcott, Dorking).

It appears that Harry retired aged 60 and that they put in place a plan to move from London to the charming little village of Westcott near Dorking (the birthplace of Thomas Malthus the 19th century economist / demographer). After Constance died Harry continued to live at Westcott in a cottage near the 'Cricketers' pub (1 Sunnyville). He remarried for the last brief period of his life, to a lady named Florrie [Florence Green]. He died on 19th June 1945 and is buried in Westcott Parish Churchyard next to Constance.

My father Cyril Johnson was born on 24th December 1909 (Xmas Eve) in London at 61 Brayard Road, Peckham, Camberwell. He was the middle of three sons (no other children), with an elder brother Robert (Bob) and a younger brother Eric . Bob eventually had a sole daughter Janice and Eric had twin girls Judy and Gillian. [Judith lived in Canada for many years and her son Brett Hadley is still there. Gillian had two daughters Fiona and Kirsteen Coupar – Kirsteen undertook post-grad studies at the University of Waikato in 2002 but returned to the UK]. As already mentioned, Bob has a family history as the preferred name for an elder son, although I have not followed it in naming my own sons. The boys went to St Johns Bowyer School, Clapham. Cyril was the most intellectually gifted of the boys and won a scholarship to attend the Strand School. He subsequently went to Kings College at the University of London where he studied History. He also won a Half-Blue for cross-country running, enjoyed athletics and gymnastics and was a useful cricketer. In 1931/ 32 he obtained his first appointment as a teacher at the Nantwich and Acton Grammar School (‘NAGS’) . Also on the staff at that time was my uncle ‘Bern’ Mills who taught biology. I suspect that it was Bern who introduced ‘Jay’ (the nickname always used in preference to Cyril) to my mother.

When Meg returned to Nantwich from a spell as a kind of au pair in a German Finishing School in Wiesbaden, she found herself living very near to Jay who had digs next door. They were soon courting and then married. There used to be / may still be a photo of Jay and Meg at their wedding, with Auntie Betty Mills as the bridesmaid. Meg is wearing a velvet dress and looks very beautiful with big blue eyes, dark hair and full lips. They married in 1934 when Meg was 19 and Jay was 24 years old. Meg always complained that she was far too young. She had a lot of life in her and would have thrived on a career of her own. Jay was a very handsome young man with bright blue eyes, a strong jaw and good tanning skin. He was however very serious about developing his career as a History teacher and academic historian and apparently used to leave Meg alone or with her friends while he pursued his research for a PhD. His PhD topic was the evolution of the public service in Stuart England, particularly relating to the development of regular ‘posts’ and stagecoaches to and from Westminster and the Lord Lieutenants of the counties.

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LUBBOCK FAMILY TREE - from John Lubbock died 1498 to Cyril Johnson born 1909 / died 1943


1 John LUBBOCK, 1
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Death: abt 1498

Children: John, 2
Thomas, 3 (1480-1529)
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1.2 Thomas LUBBOCK, 3
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Birth: 1480
Death: 1529

Spouse: Isabel ?, 4
Marr: 1510

Children: William, 10 (1510-1560)
Simon, 8 (1515-1593)

1.2.2 Simon LUBBOCK, 8
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Birth: 1515
Death: 1593

Spouse: Elizabeth ?, 9
Death: 1595
Marr: 1540

Children: Thomas, 5 (-1613)
Ellen, 7 (1569-)

1.2.2.1 Thomas LUBBOCK, 5
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Bapt: ? 1560
22 Dec 1613
Death: 4 Jan 1613/1614, Erpingham, Norfolk, England

Spouse: Cecily WOODROWE, 6
Birth: ca 1532
Death: 1613
Burial: 13 Jan 1613
Burial Memo: aged 81
Marr: 6 Dec 1585, Swanton Abbot, Norfolk, England

Children: Thomas, 161
Lawrence, 165 (1589-1660)
Rose, 168 (1591-)
Cecily, 170 (1593-1648)
William, 174 (1595-1597)
John, 175 (1599-1661)

1.2.2.1.1a Thomas LUBBOCK*, 161
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Bapt: 18 Mar 1586/1587, Erpingham, Norfolk, England
30 Mar 1672/1673
Burial: 25 Oct 1673, Erpingham, Norfolk, England

Spouse: Mary WOLSEY, 162
Death: 1669
Burial: 14 Nov 1669
Marr: 27 Jun 1614

Children: John, 217 (1615-1615)
Cecily, 218 (1617-)
William, 220 (1620-1675)
Thomas, 225
Rose, 226 (1631-1674)
Mary, 227 (1627-1700)
Barbara, 228 (-1727)
Ann, 229 (1638-)

Other Spouses Margaret PARK

1.2.2.1.1a.4 Thomas LUBBOCK, 225
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Bapt: 27 ? Jan 1623/1624
Burial: 26 Feb 1668/1669

Spouse: Mary WOLSEY, 233
Death: 1675
Burial: 8 Jul 1675, Erpingham, Norfolk, England
Marr: 20 Sep 1649, Erpingham, Norfolk, England

Children: Susanne, 234 (1653-1753)
?, 236 (ca1659-1659)
?, 237 (ca1661-1661)
Samuel, 238 (-1662)
?, 239
?, 240
John, 241
Thomas, 243 (-1663)
Thomas, 244 (?1663-)
Elizabeth, 246 (1667-)
William, 248 (1669-1711)

1.2.2.1.1a.4.9 Thomas LUBBOCK, 244
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Birth: ? 1663

Spouse: Elizabeth ?, 245
Marr: ? 1688

Children: Hannah, 260
Elizabeth, 261
Thomas, 262
Mary, 263
William, 264
John, 265 (1695-)
Mary, 270
William, 271 (1700-1756)
Thomas, 272
Hannah, 273
Thomas, 274

1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8 William LUBBOCK, 271
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Birth: 1700
Bapt: 11 Aug 1700, Erpingham, Norfolk, England
Death: 1756
Burial: 15 Jul 1756, Marsham, Norfolk, England
Occ: Parish clerk of Marsham, Norfolk, England

Spouse: Elizabeth DIXON, 275
Marr: 1724, Swannington, Norfolk, England
Marr Memo: Some doubt about this marriage because of known childrens' birth dates.

Children: Samuel, 280 (1744-)
Charles, 282 (1748-1827)
William, 286 (1750-1754)
Honour, 285 (1750-1754)
Elizabeth, 287 (1753-)
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1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2 Charles LUBBOCK, 282
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Birth: 1748
Bapt: 31 Jan 1748, Marsham, Norfolk, England
Death: 1827
Burial: 3 Oct 1827

Spouse: Sarah ASHLEY, 283
Birth: 1749
Death: 1806
Marr: 14 Oct 1771, Hemsby, Norfolk, England

Children: Charles, 298 (1775-1853)
Anne, 300 (1778-)
John, 373 (1779-)
William, 303 (1781-)
Robert, 306
Elizabeth, 315
Joseph, 316 (1791-)


1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a John LUBBOCK*, 373
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Birth: 1779, Hemsby, Norfolk, England11
Bapt: 1 Aug 1779, Hemsby, Norfolk, England9
Occ: Boatbuilder (Shipwright)
Residence: Living at Staith Street, Walsingham, Norfolk, England in 1851

Spouse: Rebecca TUCK, 374
Marr: 29 Nov 1801, Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England

Children: John, 427 (1803-)
Charles, 445 (1804-)
George Shelly, 428 (1808-)
William, 375 (ca1814-1892)
Robert, 426 (1818-)


1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4a William LUBBOCK*12, 375
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Birth: ca 1814, Wells-next-the-Sea, Norfolk, England
Death: 18 Jan 1892, registered at St Olave, Bermondsey, London, England
Burial: North Walsham, Norfolk, England ?
Occ: Mast & block and tackle maker

Spouse: Jane PANNELL13, 376
Birth: ca 1817

Free BMD gives Jane's surname as "Thew".

Marr: 184114

Children: William, 378 (ca1842-)
Jemima, 379 (ca1844-)
Jane, 380 (ca1848-)

Other Spouses Clara ELSTOB

1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4a.1 William LUBBOCK11, 378
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Birth: ca 1842, Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England

1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4a.2 Jemima LUBBOCK11, 379
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Birth: ca 1844, Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England

1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4a.3 Jane LUBBOCK11, 380
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Birth: ca 1848, Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England

Spouse: ? ?, 259

1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4b William LUBBOCK* (See above)
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Spouse: Clara ELSTOB12,15, 377
Birth: 1830, Middlesex, England
Death: 12 Dec 1904, 44 Oxley Street, Bermondsey, London
Father: Thomas Smith ELSTOB, 405 (1794-1874)
Mother: Hannah QUENBY, 406
Marr: 1 Dec 1852, Parish Church, St Marylebone, Middlesex, England15,13

Children: Thomas William, 381 (1854-1859)
Clara Hannah Lubbock, 382 (ca1855-1950)
Charles Daniel, 383 (1857-1915)
Edward Parry, 385 (1859-1928)
Mary Louisa, 387 (1862-)
William Frederick, 388 (1865-1883)
Emily, 389
Hannah, 390 (1868-1956)

Other Spouses Jane PANNELL


1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4b.3 Charles Daniel LUBBOCK16, 383
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Birth: 15 Oct 1857, Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Death: 1915
Occ: Solicitor's clerk

Spouse: Helen Rebecca RAYNER16, 384
Birth: 1861, Finsbury, Middlesex, England
Death: 1933
Marr: 1880

Children: William, 391 (-ca1916)
Constance Maud M., 392 (ca1883-)
Edith Beatrice, 393 (1885-)
Charles Victor William, 394 (ca1887-1924)
Winifred Clara, 395 (ca1889-)
Phyllis Grace A., 396 (1899-)
Ronald, 397 (1903-ca1959)

1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4b.3.1 William LUBBOCK, 391
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Death: ca 1917
Death Memo: Killed in WW1

1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4b.3.2 Constance Maud M. LUBBOCK, 392
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Birth: ca 1883

Spouse: Harry JOHNSON (i.e. Harry Shorrocks), 401
Marr: 1907

Children: Eric Harry, 402
Cyril, 456
Robert Lubbock, 403

1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4b.3.2.1 Eric Harry JOHNSON15, 402 (born 8 February 1912 Tulse Hill, Lambeth)
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1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4b.3.2.2 Cyril JOHNSON, 456

Birth 24 December 1909, Peckham, Camberwell, London

Death: 14 October 1943, RAF, Millom, Cumberland

Spouse: Mabel Kenyon CLARKE
Death: 8 October 1988
Burial:
Marr: 24 December 1934, Nantwich Parish Church

Children: Susan Davina [born Nantwich 29 November 1936]
Joseph Keith [born Crewe / Nantwich 9 June 1944]

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1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4b.3.2.3 Robert Lubbock JOHNSON15, 403 (born 29th May 1908, Fulham)
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1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4b.3.3 Edith Beatrice LUBBOCK, 393
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Birth: 1885

Spouse: ? ?, 404
Marr: 1906, Woolwich, London, England

1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4b.3.4 Charles Victor William LUBBOCK, 394
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Birth: ca 1887
Death: 19 Dec 1924, Westminster, London, England

Spouse: Amy Rosa JACKSON, 429
Birth: ca 1888
Death: 1962
Marr: 1 Jul 1912, Camberwell Register Office, London, England

Children: Victor Charles, 430 (1918-)

1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4b.3.4.1 Victor Charles LUBBOCK, 430
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Birth: 15 Apr 1918, Peckham, London, England

1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4b.3.5 Winifred Clara LUBBOCK, 395
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Birth: ca 1889

Spouse: ? ?, 431
Marr: 1910

1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4b.3.6 Phyllis Grace A. LUBBOCK, 396
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Birth: 1899

Spouse: Charles GRIMSHAW, 432
Marr: 1917

Children: Edward, 278
Phyllis, 279

1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4b.3.6.1 Edward GRIMSHAW, 278
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1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4b.3.6.2 Phyllis GRIMSHAW, 279
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1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4b.3.7 Ronald LUBBOCK, 397
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Birth: 20 Jan 1903, London, England
Death: ca 20 Feb 1959
Occ: Representative for "The Daily Mail" newspaper

Spouse: Gladys Annette HENDRY, 433
Birth: 20 Jan 1906, Lambeth, London, England
Marr: 22 May 1926

Children: Ronald William Hendry, 435 (1927-)

1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4b.3.7.1 Ronald William Hendry LUBBOCK, 435
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Birth: 27 Jul 1927
Occ: Occupational psychologist

Spouse: Margaret Anne WARWICK, 436
Occ: Careers officer
Marr: 21 Jul 1956

Children: David Warwick Andrew, 437 (1959-)
Joanna Louise, 438 (1962-)

1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4b.3.7.1.1 David Warwick Andrew LUBBOCK, 437
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Birth: 1959

Spouse: ? ?, 439

Children: Holly, 440

1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4b.3.7.1.1.1 Holly LUBBOCK, 440
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1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4b.3.7.1.2 Joanna Louise LUBBOCK, 438
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Birth: 1962

1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4b.4 Edward Parry LUBBOCK12, 385
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Birth: 28 Sep 1859, Belton, Suffolk, England17
Death: 13 Dec 1928
Occ: Tutor

Taught at a Harrow school (not The public school). Copy of a photograph of him held. Published his own poetry.

Spouse: Caroline Emma KING, 386
Birth: 1870, Bristol
Death: 16 Nov 1949
Occ: Governess (before her marriage)
Father: Henry James KING, 277
Marr: 12 Aug 1899, West Ham, London, England

Children: Edward Harry Roy, 398 (1900-1972)
Eric James Leslie, 399 (1901-1904)
Donald Elstob, 400 (1903-1979)

1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4b.4.1 Edward Harry Roy LUBBOCK, 398
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Birth: 10 Aug 1900, Gravesend, Kent, England
Death: 29 Jan 1972
Burial: St Mary's(?), Ewell, Surrey, England
Occ: Civil servant at the Admiralty

Spouse: Margaret Edna TAYLOR, 423
Birth: 9 Mar 1919
Occ: Statistician & chemist - working for ICI
Marr: 12 Jun 1948, Balham, London, England

Children: Rosalind Mary, 424 (1949-)
Jean Margaret, 425 (1951-)

1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4b.4.1.1 Rosalind Mary LUBBOCK, 424
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Birth: 11 Apr 1949, Epsom, Surrey, England
Occ: P.A. / secretary

1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4b.4.1.2 Jean Margaret LUBBOCK, 425
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Birth: 11 Jun 1951, Epsom, Surrey, England
Occ: Translator

1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4b.4.2 Eric James Leslie LUBBOCK, 399
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Birth: 1901, Gravesend, Kent, England
Death: 1904, Send, Surrey, England

1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4b.4.3a Donald Elstob LUBBOCK*, 400
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Birth: 14 Sep 1903, Send, Surrey, England
Death: 12 Dec 1979, Epsom, Surrey, England
Burial: St Mary's, Fetcham, Surrey, England
Occ: Sales manager for a paint firm (his own company P.J. Lubbock & Co.)

Collector of clocks and musical boxes.

Spouse: Edith Violet PIPER, 414
Birth: 1907
Death: 1959, Dorking, Surrey, England
Burial: St Mary's, Fetcham, Surrey, England
Marr: 1927

Children: ?, 417 (1928-1928)
Daphne Josephine, 418 (1930-)
Pamela Violet, 419 (1931-)
Pauline Jean, 420 (1935-)

Other Spouses Louise Eaton OVERTON, Esther Jess HUDSON

1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4b.4.3a.1 ? LUBBOCK, 417
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Birth: 1928
Death: 1928

1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4b.4.3a.2 Daphne Josephine LUBBOCK, 418
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Birth: 10 Apr 1930, Biggin Hill, Kent, England
Occ: PA

Spouse: Kenneth Ninian HOARE, 422
Birth: 1916
Occ: Lawyer
Marr: Jun 1971, Epsom, Surrey, England

No Children

1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4b.4.3a.3 Pamela Violet LUBBOCK, 419
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Birth: 11 May 1931, Tatsfield, Kent, England
Occ: Nurse (SRN, SCM)

Spouse: George JENNINGS, 421
Birth: 1920
Occ: Hospital telephonist
Marr: Mar 1972, Epsom, Surrey, England

No Children

1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4b.4.3a.4 Pauline Jean LUBBOCK, 420
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Birth: 21 Jul 1935
Occ: Civil servant

1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4b.4.3b Donald Elstob LUBBOCK* (See above)
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Spouse: Louise Eaton OVERTON, 415
Marr: 21 Jun 1959

No Children

Other Spouses Edith Violet PIPER, Esther Jess HUDSON

1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4b.4.3c Donald Elstob LUBBOCK* (See above)
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Spouse: Esther Jess HUDSON, 416
Birth: 28 Jun 1916, Highbury, London, England
Marr: 23 Nov 1979

No Children

Other Spouses Edith Violet PIPER, Louise Eaton OVERTON

1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4b.5 Mary Louisa LUBBOCK18, 387
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Birth: 1862, Essex, England
Occ: Teacher

1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4b.6 William Frederick LUBBOCK19,20, 388
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Birth: 1865, Horseley Down, London, England
Death: 15 Aug 1883, London, England21
Death Memo: Died of scrofula
Occ: Solicitor's clerk

1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4b.7 Emily LUBBOCK, 389
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1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.4b.8 Hannah LUBBOCK, 390
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Birth: 1868, Horseleydown, London, England22
Death: 1956, Wandsworth, London, England23

1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3a.5 Robert LUBBOCK, 426
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Birth: 1818

1.2.2.1.1a.4.9.8.2.3b John LUBBOCK* (See above)
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Spouse: Martha J. ?, 302
Birth: abt 179024

Other Spouses Rebecca TUCK

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Dear Keith, 16 July 2004

Here is a bit of family history, as far as I know it. My father gradually lost contact with his sisters after the war so most of this is knowledge acquired up to the age of 12.

Father, Ronald Lubbock, had sisters:

Amy – widowed, kept a grocers shop in Upper Sydenham. She had a son, Victor who was in love with the sister of one of my school friends, but somehow she contrived to stop the relationship. I believe Victor qualified as an accountant. No further information.

Bobby – married an Australian left over form the war and they ran a silent cinema in Horley, both being good pianists. He was knocked down and killed by a tram in about 1936 and she had no means of support. So she started playing the piano in pubs, very successfully. She had a son, Teddy, very tall and liked to be known as ‘Lofty.’ He joined the Navy in about 1936 as a rating in the Stoker Branch. He was promoted a couple of times, but was a rebel, got into a fight with a local in Spain, and was demoted again.

After the war (he was torpedoed) he went to Guyana to prospect for diamonds. A local trader staked him with a cook, hunter, bearer and labourers and he went off prospecting in the jungles. One evening, watching the glorious sunset God revealed himself to him. He left Guyana, came to the UK and went to All Nation Bible College and then off to Nigeria as a missionary.

Before he went he tried to get me interested in Christianity and I didn’t want to know. Fifty years later in the church which I had by then joined, thee was an ex-lecturer from All Nations who remembered him, and advised me to get his address form the secretary of the college.

I made contact by phone, much to his surprise, and we have written to each other a couple of times. Retired, he now lives in Canada, still preaching and healing. Address at the foot of this letter.

Bobby also had a daughter, Phyllis, who married an American soldier who drove buses in the USA. No more news.

Connie, married to Harry Johnson, your grandfather. He was a North Countryman, grossly overweight and an alcoholic. He had to have a couple of pints of beer with breakfast and was so fat he couldn’t do up his own boots. My mother was very fond of Connie and used to take me to visit her near New Cross about every six weeks or so. She had three sons:

Eric, a clerk at the Stock Exchange and a competitive walker. He won the London to Brighton Stock Exchange Walk at least twice, and I heard him mentioned on the radio here about six months ago in connection with some programme about pre-war days.. I wanted to accompany him on my bicycle, aged 12, but parents weren’t keen, and the war put a stop to all that.

Her second son I met once, Robert, who was, I believe an accountant. No further knowledge.

Then Cyril, your father. I know I met him, and liked him, but cannot remember much about him.

Winnie, Florence, and Edie. Edie lived over a shop in Peckham and was into Ghost stories. I met her once after the war, but no further knowledge. The other two were just names to me.

My father sold advertising space related to Company Annual meetings for Associated Newspapers Daily Mail, Evening News. He was called up into the Army, returned to Fleet Street and died in 1956. My mother, Anne died two years ago aged 97. After he died she carried out the same role for The Sketch and then Punch and was highly successful.

My own career started as a psychologist working for the Admiralty, and later I went into commerce as a personnel officer – management selection consultant – started the HR function for a large firm of Insurance Brokers – ran a recruitment advertising agency – headhunted back into the City as a personnel director, fist of an industrial conglomerate, and then a merchant bank, part of the group, and finally back into HR in insurance with Jardines.

I had my own business psychology consultancy after I retired at age 57 but have now given that up to play bridge.

I write a bit and have recorded several slightly hilarious stories of my father, and myself, and write occasional semi-technical articles on topics like personality testing etc. I attach a note bout how I nearly worked for the Australian Government.

I have a son and daughter, both adults.

That will do for now. Say if you want more.

Best wishes from Bill Lubbock (Haven’t used the name Ronald since I was seven!)

Bobbie’s son Rev Edward (Teddy or ‘Lofty’) Grimshaw’
1503-3275 Sheppard Avenue East
Scarborough
Ontario
Canada MIT 377 Phone 001 416 492 8897

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CORRESPONDENCE WITH 'LOFTY' GRIMSHAW (another of Jay's cousins - son of Phyllis 'Bobbie' Lubbock)


1503-3275 Sheppard Avenue East
Scarborough, M1T 3P1
Ontario
CANADA

August 2004


Dear Keith

Greetings to you in the lovely name of Jesus. What a lovely surprise to hear from you and get so much revelation of cousins to the third and fourth generations.

Yes, I suppose I do have more knowledge of Auntie Connie’s Lubbock family, although not many family details, apart from sisters Edie and Bobbie. Bobbie was nicknamed after Lord Roberts who led the Brits in the Boer War.

But let me start at the top.

I believe that the girls’ father’s name was either William or Charles [actually Charles Daniel]. He died before I was born. He was a City Gentleman – worked in a solicitor’s office in the city. When he came home from work in the evening, all his children had to line up and greet him, each saying “Good evening, Papa” - with the emphasis on the second ‘a’. I believe he may have belonged to some lodge, Freemasonry or other. My mother Bobbie very seldom spoke of him.

The mother of the eight children was Helen Rebecca Lubbock. By the way, there is some connection with another Lubbock, Lord Avebury – he was a well-reputed ornithologist and was instrumental in establishing the annual Bank Holiday. You can easily check into that.

Now Grandma [i.e. Helen Rebecca Lubbock – born Helen Rebecca Rayner ], as I knew her was a gentle, lovable lady. She had a good sense of humour. She visited us often, and once when I at the age of six was cleaning my shoes, she said to my mother “He would make a good soldier”. When asked why, she replied “Because he never looks behind”. Evidently, I cleaned only the front of the shoes and not the heels! I lived with her when my parents moved to Westcliffe, Essex, as I was going to St Olave’s Grammar School at Tower Bridge. We would play dominoes in the evening, after I had done my homework. I normally beat her and she would say that she would never play with me again – but she did. I would have been thirteen or so then. When my father found out that he could get a special pass for me on the train, I moved down to Westcliffe.

Gran’s birthday was December 7th [born 1861] and she died [in 1933] when she was 72 from cancer. She always dressed in black. On the day she got her old age pension of ten shillings, she would go out to a pub and have one glass of Wincarnis which cost about a shilling. Then she would go to Glassberg, a confectioners, and buy herself four ounces of Polar Mints. Then she would go to the Tower Cinema and watch a film – it probably cost her sixpence. That was her weekly day out – and we always heard about it on her next visit. We loved her and she loved us.

Her favourite piece of music was ‘Sanctuary of the Heart’, by someone with a name like Ketelby. He also wrote ‘In a Persian Market’ and ‘In a Monastery Garden’. They were classics in those days. So that was Grandma.

Now the firstborn child was Bill. In 1914, he joined the Royal Artillery and was killed in France. The only thing we were told about him was that he liked fat girls. The bullet that killed him tore through the top of a New Testament that he wore in his breast pocket.

Second was Florrie. She married a man who was on the staff of Dulwich College. Her first daughter died when she was nine years old or so, and she kept her bedroom as a shrine. I think the husband was Jim. They also had two boys, I think, but they kept themselves apart from the rest of the Lubbock family – a bit snobbish. Florrie would visit her mother once a year or so but always loaded her Mum down with troubles. She was an unhappy person – I believe she lived with her grief over her child.

Third was Charles. I know almost nothing about the man himself, except that he married a woman named Amy and that they lived in Sydenham. Amy was into Spritualism. Whether this was before Charles died or not, I don’t know. They had one son Victor. Charles committed suicide … how, we were never told. Amy and Victor visited Grandma, very seldom. Amy had a grocery store in Sydenham. We were told that after Charles died, she had a message from him advising him to invest in a newspaper – the Sunday Pictorial – which brought her in a handsome profit.

Fourth was Edith. She married and they had two children – Harry and Kit [Kitty]. The husband died before I could get to know him, and Edith married again to George Woodard – a Boilermaker. They then had a daughter called Hazel, who was the delight of George. They all lived together in a flat that was next door but one to us in Vivian Road, Peckham Rye. Every time we went there, Hazel would be on her dad’s lap. Harry the eldest was very clever but odd at times. He played classical music on the piano but didn’t communicate with anybody. He had been in a nursing home in Epsom but finally committed suicide after Edith died of cancer. By the way, Edith was in and out of hospital with a recurring stomach trouble. As far as I remember, she lived on dried toast and milk-less tea, and was about 90lbs in weight. Kit married a Salvation Army chappie and they had one daughter Gloria. Gloria went to Goldsmith’s College in Camberwell and had a distinct talent in art. She got a good job with one of the railway companies. She too died of cancer after Kit died.

Fourth was Winnie. She married Fred and I think their name was Johnson too. They had three boys. Eric was a cameraman with a film company. The other two – I can’t recall their names.

Now, aren’t I stupid, leaving out Connie. I think she must have been after Charles. She married Harry [Grandfather Harry Johnson] who had a very good job on the stock exchange. I gather Harry liked a beer or two but Connie was Anglo-Catholic. I believe that they lived in Clapham but moved to Lea Green. Again, they didn’t reach out to other families. I visited them once or twice in the days when Eric won the Stock Exchange Walk – London to Brighton, held once a year. And I was told that Eric trained on baked apples. Regarding Cyril’s death, quite recently there have been further questions about the aircraft crashing. Who knew of that flight? Was it the Duke of Kent in that plane too? Anyway, there really wasn’t a direct line with Connie’s family – we didn’t hear whether anyone got married – or was buried.

Seventh was my mother Phyllis Grace [‘Bobbie’], on whom I will expand later. I think there is some tradition that the seventh child had some special blessing.

Eighth was Ronald [Bill Lubbock’s father]. The baby of the family. I can remember being over at 26 Whorlton Road one day, and Ron being about sixteen or so, put his tongue out pushing his upper lip out, and pulling his ears out with his hands, he began grunting like a gorilla. Grandma shouted to him not to do it, saying it was disgusting and that she would throw him out if he continued. One day, he wrote to the Daily Mail to a box number for a job. And whoever handled that envelope was so impressed with the handwriting that they offered him a job as manager of the advertising page. And I think he was with the Daily Mail until he died. He married Gladys and they came to live at Forest Hill, where I visited them for the last time when Bill was about 8 years old. Then, a couple of years ago, he contacted me. I wrote in answer – but I don’t use the computer, as you see – and Bill has forgotten where the post office is, so we are down to a Christmas card.

Now to the Seventh – and ‘Bobbie’ [his mother] truly was the most blessed of the whole clan – and I say that without prejudice! Very little education, born 1899. In late 1916, she was sitting on one of the railings round the bandstand in Hyde Park when her eye sort of linked with the eye of an Australian soldier, also listening to the band. That eye-link eventually led to marriage, and in due time I – Edward Charles Anzac Grimshaw – popped out. But a word or two about my father Charles Albert Grimshaw. He was born in Stratford, East London. His mother Sarah Anereau was of French Huguenot extraction – very strict, very narrow-minded – married almost unwillingly to Albert, a man totally different from her. Somehow, this first son – my father – was unacceptable and when he was 12 years old, he was put on a sailing ship bound for Australia, as the captain’s cabin boy. He jumped ship at Sydney, and somehow survived, eventually having a traveling cinema.

When war broke out in 1914, he was one of the first to volunteer for the Australian Expeditionary Force – although the shortest man in his lot, he was made a corporal. Went to Egypt, then to Gallipoli where he was blown up. Then shipped to London on a Hospital Ship and on to Harefield Hospital – the hospital for wounded Aussies. So the eye led to the heart. Almost five years after me, my sister, Phyllis Sarah Patricia arrived – and when Grandma asked me at four years nine months if I would like a little sister, I answered ‘No – I’se ‘ate em’.

In 1943 Phyllis fell for a pigeon-toed Yank and was married in a Catholic Church. He went off to war soon after. In 1946, she sailed in one of the bride ships and settled in California. In 1947, Dale Anzac was born. In due time, he went to Viet Nam, having transferred from the US Navy to the Marines. Phyll and Bill were divorced. Phyll died in nursing home in 1977. Dale is still working for Hewlett Packard and has a good job – but will not answer anything I write to him or when I phone him. That was Phyllis!

None of our family were Christians. But in 1929, the Lord gave me a London County Scholarship and I went to St Olave’s Grammar School, which received its first charter from Queen Elizabeth I in 1572. It trained bright lads for Cambridge – but to the disappointment of my father, I wasn’t bright. Non-graduating in 1934, I tried my hand at office work but two years later I left home and joined the Royal Navy of His Britannic Majesty, Engine Room Department. My first three years of visiting various countries were terrific, but when Adolph went to Poland, we were at the mouth of the Persian Gulf waiting for any German oil-tankers that were late. I finished the war in Hong Kong, sweeping mines the Japanese had laid; then off to Tunisia, the Bizerta Straits.

On September 24th 1948, I was about to become a civilian when I was asked if I would help man one of the two destroyers that the Dominican Republic had bought from the Navy. So we sailed for Ciudad Trujillo on a two-year contract that expired early 1949. So I flew on to British Guiana and ended up in the diamonds area at the foothills of the Pakaraima Mountains. Great days – loved every moment of it – always hoping for the BIG ONE TOMORROW. After that, I went to Nigeria prospecting tin – ugh!!

But there in 1953, Jesus found me, gave me a new life and linked me to the Sudan Interior Mission. Finished my mining contract in 1954 and then went to All Nations Bible College, outside Maidenhead. Two years there. Then sailed to Nigeria September 1956 and on to Hausa Language School. I then became an evangelist in untouched mining areas. Jesus gave me a VW bus and a Nigerian Pastor – and we would go out for five weeks – back for a week for supplies – out for another five weeks. Once we were out for three months.

I met Jo a Canadian nurse in Nigeria and we were married in 1968. Soon after, we were asked to leave evangelism and teach in a Teacher Training College. Great days again, until I had a personal word from the Lord Jesus to end my ministry. Jo had done 35 years. I had done 32 – but I was nine years older than Jo. I had no relatives in the UK, so we settled in Canada – Toronto, where Jo’s mother lived. My mother had had gone to live with my sister in California. We visited her twice – the second time, we were with her when she died of cancer (I had had bowel cancer in 1987 but I did not have any chemo or radium – they took 18 inches of bowel out, and I was clear).

Seven weeks after coming to Toronto at a Missions’ Conference in Jo’s church, we had another call from the Lord to commit ourselves to full-time service – I was 70 and Jo 61. We were led very soon to counseling people in the Baptist Church. And eventually, I was sent to the UK to study at the School of Healing and Deliverance run by Ellel Ministries, at Glyndley near Eastbourne. Much of what I was taught was above my head – I came home with 192 pages of notes and 45 cassettes. I put the notes aside and using the pause button on the tape recorder, I went through the cassettes, made my own notes, and wove them into school talks.

There had been so many Canadians going to Ellel that a branch was opened in Orangeville six months after I left Glyndley. So I was called in on ground level to minister there to people who come in for three days of Bible training and for personal counseling by two counselors. That was 1993, and I still go there to minister in Healing Retreats. It’s a beautiful ministry because you always see results – everything is done in the name of Jesus. We see miracles all the time. One of my favourite memories is a man whom we released from the consequences of Freemasonry – afterwards, he went walking around the premises telling everybody ‘I swear there are two inches of air between my shoes and the floor’.

Since 1973, I have been asthmatic with chronic obstructive lung disease. But just recently, the Lord Jesus healed me and told me so. My recent visit to the Doctor’s stethoscope revealed no sound whatsoever – usually it had been gravelly or wheezy – Praise His Name!

So I trust these snapshots of the Lubbock house will be of interest. Although all of them lived in London, there seems to have been no blood line operating. Except for Grandma, Edie and Bobbie, who lived in very close, warm contact.

By the way, I am not a Reverend, and am normally known as Lofty. In the Royal Navy, anyone over six feet two was automatically called Lofty. That name followed me out of the Navy – into all my travels – and when the Lord Jesus came to me, He asked ‘What of your life Lofty?’ So I might as well say its my Christian name.

Living on the 15th Floor is wonderful, until the power goes off – and you have to walk up!!

So, greeting to your family – do you have the Lubbock link with Lord Avebury, famed ornithologist?

Love in Jesus

Lofty and Jo (LOJO)

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Email letter from Daphne Hoare (nee Lubbock) 19th September 2004. Daphne is also a descendant of William Lubbock, born 1814, Wells-next-the-Sea, Mast and Block Maker. She descends from his son Edward Parry Lubbock. We descend from his son Charles Daniel Lubbock – as do Bill Lubbock and Lofty Grimshaw


La Mer
Middle Way
Kingston Gorse
East Preston
West Sussex
BN16 1RY

Tel: 01903 783441.

Dear Keith

First, let me say how delighted I am to have discovered a cousin at long last. To date we have only known two, Mary and Jean, the daughters of our late uncle Roy, my father's brother. Secondly, thank you so much for all the information that you have provided which will keep me busy sorting out our relationship. As you suggest, I shall contact Lyulph Lubbock to ask for a copy of the family tree. We have been in contact in the past and he did send me a lot of information which helped me to trace us back to 1498 but there is still much to be done before preparing a detailed tree. I have also been in touch with Eric Lubbock, the noble lord and Lyulph's father who has got me to join his MSN though I am not sure what I am to do about that. Perhaps I should explain here that I am a bit of a novice on computers only having acquired one two years or so back. I have to heavily rely on my step-daughter Gillian who really has been very helpful indeed in discovering Lubbocks for us. I do like to verify all information before putting it into print. As you have the family tree you are no doubt aware of who I am but in case our family was omitted from your tree, here goes.

Edward Parry 1859-1928 married Caroline Emma King 1870-1949 in 1899. They had three sons, Edward Harry Roy (oka Roy) 1900-1972, Eric James Leslie 1901-1904 and Donald Elstob 1903-1979. Roy married Margaret Edna Taylor 1919- in 1948 and they had two daughters, Rosalind Mary 1949 and Jean Margaret 1951-. We are not now in touch so I cannot fill you in on any further details there. My father Donald married my mother Edith Violet Piper 1907-1959 in 1927 and they had three daughters, Daphne Josephine 1930-,
Pamela Violet 1931 and Pauline Jean 1935. I married Kenneth Ninian Hoare 1916- in 1971, Pam married George Jennings 1920-1996 in 1972 and Pauline is not married. Kenneth was married before and has two daughters, both of whom are married with children and one has grandchildren which gives us joy. After my mother died in 1959 my father married again in too much of a hurry which ended in divorce. He then had a companion/housekeeper and they were married secretly nineteen days before he died. We are unaware if his widow is still living.

The family home for thirty-two years was at Fetcham, near Leatherhead in Surrey where both our parents are buried; not far from Westcott by the way - how nice it would have been to have been in contact with Constance in those days. I am quite sure that my father was unaware of any family members other than having known Ronald Lubbock who would have been the same age as him. He certainly remembered his uncle Charles Daniel with affection. I know that my grandmother kept in touch with Hannah but I am not aware to what extent. It seems so strange that such a large family as Charles Daniel's did not keep in contact but probably after both he and Edward Parry passed on the family drifted apart. My grandfather was a schoolmaster and up to the time of his death taught at Harrow High School for boys so lived away from home during term time. I have a photograph of him taken with his class which I will try to copy and send to you together with other photographs for you to see if there are any family likenesses. Your offer to send me anything is gratefully received and I do hope that you can send any photographs of Charles Daniel or Constance Maud and indeed any of Charles Daniel's children. We are particularly interested to know what cousins there are in our age groups and about their families and whether there are any living near us.

Did you know that the family were in shipbuilding before steam came in and that William's father had a shipyard at Wells-next the Sea? William worked at the Robert Lubbock shipyard on South Quay at Gt Yarmouth and the Museum there told us that the yard was in a prime position there and gave us a list of the vessels built which I shall send on. Very interesting because they built schooners and it would be fun to find if there are any prints of them available. It is still not clear what the relationship between William and Robert was but hopefully we shall find out. I would dearly love to go to Norfolk where I have never been to search out the history but health prevents that as I do not undertake journeys now.

Kenneth and I moved here from Fetcham in 1996 where we lived for 23 years just around the corner from the family home. Our address is: La Mer, Middle Way, Kingston Gorse, East Preston, West Sussex BN16 1RY, Tel: 01903 783441. We live on a private estate just 500 yards from the greensward and the sea and can hear but not see the sea from our south facing, sheltered back garden. Gardening is my abiding pleasure because everything grows so well and quickly here and it is a continuing pleasure to be able to grow the tender shrubs we were not able to grow high up at Fetcham. Pam lives in the village next door, Ferring, and we can walk to each other. My father had a holiday home there for many years because he loved the sea, obviously born in him, and we also had a holiday home there for 25 years which is why we finally decided to move here full time. Pauline lives near the village of East Preston which is about a mile away and we can also walk or cycle to each other. We so enjoy being down here together because we too love the sea and bathe as often as possible and share so many interests. We are all three cat lovers and each have two.

In our working lives Pam was a nurse and trained at the Royal Free in London. Thirty years ago she and a nurse friend Janet went out to Australia for two years on a working holiday starting in New South Wales at a hospital there. They bought a car and motored up the coast sightseeing en route to Cairns then over to Alice Springs where they worked at the hospital for six months. From there they motored up to Darwin and back down to Melbourne, across to Tasmania then on to North Island, New Zealand. Janet decided to stay but Pam missed the family and decided to come home. Janet remained and in fact came over this summer to visit her family and spent two weeks with Pam so they had a lot to catch up on. I worked for 32 years at Pira, Leatherhead as a PA and Kenneth was a Director there. He is a lawyer by training and was at Oxford. He was also Secretary General of an international organisation connected with printing research and in this I was able to help him so we travelled a lot and he continued to do this well into his retirement only finally giving it all up in 1996 after pressure from me being fed up with office work.

That is about all for now so I shall soon begin to gather the various bits of info to send to you.

With very best wishes to you and your family. How lovely to have little ones again. I am always eager to hear news of our three little grandchildren who live in Monaco. Aurora is 4, Daniel 2 and Chiara just 4months. Daniel started play school this week so we await news of how he liked it because he did not want to go!!

Daphne

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EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE WITH CHRIS JOHNSON (grandson of Winifred Clara Lubbock)

From CHRIS JOHNSON

Hi Keith

Just a little more to be going on with concerning your questions :-

1. No sorry the old lady in the picture is my Gran on my Mothers side. She is Alice Rebecca Payne, surrounded by her grandchildren. That's our family Dave, Ron, Chris, Yve, Anne, Gill. There are also two cousins there adopted children of Charles Payne my Mums brother, Stephen & Monica.

2. No photos of Winifred, her Father, Mother I'm afraid this does seem strange on reflection. I don't think any one else in the family has any photos either, but we will keep looking and enquiring of each other. I only just learned through Yves that Anne had some photo's on my Mums side I didn't know about.

3 Uncle Stan, I do remember him as a child, he was very generous to us children. He gave us half a crown sometimes when visiting which was a lot of money to a child. I think he was a West End Tailor, always dressed very smartly and walked with a swagger. He was married to Alice and had two children Pat & Sue, I think I have some photos of them which I can attach.

I was thinking are you familiar with Facebook. We could start a group just for the purpose of getting to know more about family history and share photos, information ,etc. We could just restrict it to family, even if its our extended family it might be a good way of discussing things about family history with several at the same time, what do you think??

I have attached a load of photos, hope this is not too much but it might be of interest to you, the description is on the photos.

Pleased to hear about the bar-b-q that's a great family tradition in our neck of the woods to.

We have just enjoyed an extremely mild September/October but the Winter chill has arrived with a vengence today.

Look forward to chatting some more soon.

Regards Chris


FROM KEITH

Hi there Chris

Its good to hear from you. I was very happy to provide the
family history write-up to Yvonne and its nice to be back in
contact - you all seem lovely people in a fine family.
If there is any chance that we could meet up, I would be
happy to do so - in the meantime, if there is anything more
that I can do to help, I'll try. Don't worry though about
keeping contact - there is no obligation and its just for
fun.

I was fascinated to catch up on your father's career - the
cinema was such a big thing for that generation.

From my part, I suppose that there are a few questions:

1. Are the photos of your 'Gran' of Winifred (nee Lubbock
i.e. my grandmother's sister?).

2. Do you have any old photos deep in the family drawers /
cardboard boxes of Winifred and her mother, father etc.?

3. What happpened to Winifred's other son Stanley Derrick
Johnson born 1913 - are you in touch with his descendants
(cousins and second cousins)?

We have just had a quiet weekend but this included our first
barbecue of the year - yesterday the weather was lovely but
today its back to cold and damp. Theo my 5-year old has a
nasty cough and was awake a lot in the night so neither Jane
nor I are too chipper this morning.

All the very best

Keith

FROM CHRIS

Hi Keith

Well I don't really know where to start,all I can say is that it has been fascinating reading about both families and of special interest to us to hear of our Granddad and Gran on Dad's side. I never knew their names and often wondered why and why as a young man. I never asked Mum & Dad whilst they were still alive.

It just seemed to be one of those things we did not talk about, all I can remember was as a child being taken to visit Granddad at Bexley Heath but never being taken in to see him, I think it was because he had mental health problems or Alzeimers and in those days children were not allowed in.

I must admit I have a lot more reading to do of the information that you provided and for that reason I kept putting off making contact, but I decided rather than put it off any longer I would send a short message with a few photos and then we can take it from there, it may be you have more questions as well.

I'm not sure if Yvonne has shared with you but our dad Reg was a camera man and had a very interesting life, I have provided a link to his bio page where you can look up and see some of the films he worked on.

My full name is Christopher Gilbert Johnson (I often wondered where the Gilbert came from) age 58 years, My wife is Lyn Johnson, we have two unmarried children Arron Christopher & Anna Rose ages 32 & 34 respectively. I'm a retired policeman but now work part time at the Game & Wildlife Conservation trust at a Janitor.

Link: filmography http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0426046/bio

Look forward to more chat, sorry if I'm a bit slow responding, but you're probably agree it can get a bit overwhelming.

Best Wishes

Chris

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MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE DETAILS

CHARLES DANIEL LUBBOCK
HELEN REBECCA RAYNER

Marriage solemnized at: Christ Church, Parish of Bermondsey, Surrey


When married: 30th October 1880


Name of Bridegroom: Charles Daniel Lubbock
Age: Full
Condition: Bachelor
Rank or Profession: Solicitor's Clerk
Residence at time of Marriage: 46 Blue Anchor Lane

Name of Bride: Helen Rebecca Rayner
Age: Full
Condition: Spinster
Rank or Profession: -
Residence at time of Marriage: 18 St James Road


Father's Name and Surname: William Lubbock
Rank or Profession of Father: Mast & Block Maker

Father's Name and Surname: George Rayner
Rank or Profession of Father: Engineer (SE Railway)


Solemnized in the Presence of:
• George Rayner (Helen's father)
• E. Parry Lubbock
• George Hawkins Rayner (Helen's brother - Wine Merchant living at home)
• Alice Maud Rayner (Helen's sister).

Comment: Data in brackets from 1881 Census